# Why are there 5280 feet in a mile?

The original Roman mile was 1000 paces (*milia passuum*), or 5000 feet. The modern mile was defined as 5280 feet under Queen Elizabeth at the end of the 16th century in order to reconcile multiple discordant measurement systems already in wide use. In particular, it was convenient to make it an even multiple of the sides of an acre, which since early medieval times was a rectangle 660 feet long and 66 feet wide. 660 divides neatly into 5280, eight ways, allowing a square mile (640 acres or a “section”) to be conveniently quartered three times over: into quarter sections (160 acres), sixteenth sections (40 acres), and finally the 10 acre squares (660 by 660 feet) that remain at the base of all US land surveys to this day.

*Background: Many years ago, I became curious as to why, exactly, there are 5280 feet in a mile. The explanations I found online at the time weren’t very convincing. At the time I tried to make some fixes to parts of the puzzle in Wikipedia, but they frequently rejected as OR (original research). Eventually I wrote this article, since revised and updated several times. Since then, my “version” of things will occasionally drift to the #1 spot on Google or Bing, or both, when answering the specific question “why are there 5280 feet in a mile”. More often some SEO-optimized version will slip ahead, though it seems this article is holding steady in the top 3 or 4 at least. So hopefully pretty much everybody who cares about the details will find this. If you have any comments or questions (or corrections), please add to the comment section, I do (eventually) read all comments.
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*I have yet to find an answer to the question that’s as thorough and complete as this one is. But I must caution that this article isn’t really up to academic standards and contains a non-trivial amount of speculation. Caveat Emptor, what follows is my theory of how the mile ended up with 5280 feet.*

The conventional wisdom on this topic goes something like this: the mile was originally 5000 feet. It was changed to 5280 feet in Elizabethan times around the year 1600 (some point to 1592 and some to 1593) to accommodate the furlong, which was 660 feet. It was easier to fix the mile rather than the furlong for various reasons, hence, eight furlongs and 5280 feet in a mile.

That’s the standard story. It’ll be fleshed out with bells and whistles, including odd theories about horses etc, but that’s about it.

The problem with these versions is that they don’t explain why this collision between furlong and mile occurred around 1600, and not centuries before. It implies, therefore, that people suddenly woke up and realized, hey, wait a second, if there’s 660 feet in a furlong … and eight furlongs in a mile … but 5000 feet in a mile …. wait a second !?!

It somewhat implies that four-digit multiplication was invented ca 1600. Like a lot of rear-view-mirror takes on history, the “explanation” boils down to: “before time X people were stupid about topic Y, and at time Z they wizened up.”

Failing to find a good write-up of the origins, I’ve pieced together my own theory over the years. And it’s a fun one because the answer (or rather, hypothesis) is simply this: the number 5280 arises out of a collision between organized religion, the military, and taxation. Three powerful historical forces, to be sure, so the fourth pillar to modern society (rationality) obviously has to be the one to compromise!

But wait, there’s more: naked Greeks are involved, and Jesus, and Vikings. In that order.

Our story starts with the “original” mile, the Roman one (though there is indication the measurement is older still). The Romans were both practical and militant. Their mile was 1000 paces – a pace being a double step (left foot, right foot) by a soldier in full battle gear. That was a “*passus*“, and a mile was a “*milia passuum*“, hence the word “mile” (for “thousand”, as in the word *millennium)*.

If you are a runner or a hiker, you’ll know that we still remember this information in our convention of relating pedometers to miles: about 2000 steps to a mile. But we have forgotten that it’s not a “trick”, it’s the whole point. Language use changes back and forth over time, and today we’re more likely to use the word “step” rather than “pace”, hence, we can think of a mile as being defined as 2000 steps.

Furthermore, the Romans had another convention, that you’ve probably heard of, which was to place stones next to their roads to mark the distance from Rome. Called “*milliarium*“, these stone obelisks were first erected along the Via Appia, where milestones dating as far back as the second century BC still survive. Naturally, quite a large number of these stones survived along roads throughout Europe, providing a natural reference point, explaining why their particular measure of a “foot” survives with high accuracy. The central stone in Rome, from which the phrase “all roads lead to Rome” derives, wasn’t erected until some two centuries later in 20 BC, but is since lost.

It’s worth injecting that the popular notion that Roman roads all had measures of the distance from Rome is a myth: only central Italy and a few exceptions were marked from central Rome, all other roads were measured from the nearest local significant center. The US’ attempt to replicate this myth with the Zero Mile marker in Washington, DC, in 1792 would have a similar destiny, influencing only measurements nearby. Instead a similar variation (measuring from something local and significant) lives on in the mile markers of the interstate highway system, where the numbering typically starts at either the southern or the western state line and increasing as you drive in the other direction.

Curiously, we know very little of the details of how the Roman army used the mile as a practical tool – not a single significant military treatise has survived from Roman times. The that has, the *Epitoma rei militaris,* is unfortunately not considered authoritative. Thus its claims cannot be checked against any other contemporary sources, which is particularly irksome since some of them appear highly dubious – such as stating that the army marched 20 miles in 5 summer hours at regular pace and 24 miles at double pace.

You can experiment yourself to realize that the miles per hour measure is practical for a human: casual walking is 2 mph, an easy walk is 3, swift walking is 4. The available number of hours in a day is similarly small, thus making the mental arithmetic simple.

Hence, 5000 feet to the mile, a general measure that survived throughout Europe as roadside reminders of the might of Rome.

Now, switching tracks, about the furlong. It means “a furrow long” (long as a furrow) and is a practical measure in an agrarian society: it is (approximately) the distance an oxen can plow without resting. That distance was standardized to be 40 “rods”, where a rod (or “pole”) is today defined as 5.5 yards (16.5 feet), though it was probably originally 20 feet (we’ll get back to all this).

An “acre” (which means “field”) was 40 rods long and 4 rods wide (4 rods was also called a “chain”, more on that below). An acre was thus the surface area that one man and a team of oxen could till in one day. It was long and narrow because of the development of the heavy plough around the end of the 10th century, which turned the soil over, revolutionizing agriculture in northern Europe where the clay-heavy soil (vs sandier south European soil) went from being a handicap to an asset, in fact contributing significantly to the eventual inversion of economic power in Europe from the south to the north.

At this point, if you’re paying close attention, you’ll see that not only do we have the decimal (base 10) concept in the “mile” (one thousand paces), but also in the acre: the proportions of the sides are exactly 10:1. That’s because “acre” dates back to “10 square chains”, or an area that’s one “chain” wide and ten long. A “chain” in turn is four rods. The word “chain” comes from how this convenient measurement tool was constructed. Organic materials (wood, rope) have obvious problems in retaining precise dimensions, despite efforts to wax or otherwise treat them. A marked improvement therefore came from carrying a set of thin metal rods, that eventually would be “chained” together. Most surveying in the United States was done in the 1700s and 1800s using a standardized 100-link chain of 66 feet in total length.

But this was a more modern innovation. Going much further back in history it seems likely the basic approach was instead to carry a long, thin, metal “rod” that was 16 feet long, seems likely to me that they were in parts. This is still today a common surveying tool – search Amazon for “surveyor rod” and you’ll find the modern version, now made of telescoping aluminum and generally 16 feet long. We’ll get back to why it was 16 feet (and not 10 or 20), and how it later on became 16.5.

This tradition of the furlong (ten chains) took root in England between the fall of Rome and the Norman conquest of 1066, along the aforementioned adoption of heavy ploughs. With the Normans came the re-introduction of the Roman definition of the foot as 12 inches. A reference foot was thusly carved into one of the pier bases of the new nave in St Paul’s cathedral in London in 1104 (by the son of a banker, interestingly enough).

The Saxon tradition of measuring land had been established in terms of rods, and as we alluded above, probably based on 20 “natural” feet – i.e. not Roman standard feet but “real” 9.8-inch feet. The number 20, of course, was the common “decimal” system prior to the invention of shoes (at which point you can’t see your toes). Also, the technique of counting to 20 with one hand may have been prevalent. Vestiges of base-20 remain, notably for our story, in Danish and French. For example, in French you say “soixante-dix” for 70 and in Danish you say “tresindstyve” for 60. So again, we have a “decimal” element here, too; but one that’s older than shoes and technically known as the “vigesimal” system. *(The technique of counting to twenty with one hand is to use your thumb to count out the phalanxes and the joints of each of the other four fingers.)*

The new Norman Kings, with or without shoes, had little interest in imposing a new measurement system. Thus when the Domesday book was assembled in 1086, the basic measure of taxation for the Danelaw counties was the “carucate” which was 120 acres – the amount of land tillable by a team of eight oxen in a plowing season. The measures were very approximate; the Domesday book is not an accurate survey in any modern sense. Danelaw, of course, derives from Danish Viking laws. The eight oxen was the notional “plough team”.

We still have this thousand-year-old area (carucate) hidden away in the US grid system – the grid marks you see on various maps (such as hiking or USGS maps) is the 40-acre square, three of which equal a carucate (one month, or thirty days, of plowing four acres per day with your over-worked oxen team).

When the Saxon rod was measured with a Norman foot (e.g. the Roman 12-inch foot), it’s 16.5 feet long. If that’s an awkward multiple, the Norman kings didn’t care. The number wouldn’t be used for anything in a regular fashion. Acres were the important measure. There just had to be some official relationship between them: “198 inches in a rod”. It’s sort of like the definition of the second – today it’s defined as “9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom”. You probably didn’t know that. But that doesn’t stop you from using seconds all the times. Medieval farmers didn’t measure their farmland using their thumbs any more than you use caesium to catch the bus.

We should note here that the Norman foot, as handed down to us, does not appear to exactly correspond to the Roman foot. Modern archaeological estimates of the actual Roman feet vary between 11.6 and 11.7 modern inches. Versus 12 inches, between two milestones that’s an error of over 100 feet, and it seems unlikely the Romans were that imprecise. More likely, the Normans also had to account for the Saxon yard, and indeed King Edward I around the year 1300 created the standard yard, and decreed that a foot was a third of it. Likely whatever exact notion of a Norman foot there was around the year 1100, it had to morph a little to fit an exact number of times inside the yard.

To add to the confusion, the invading Saxons had adopted a derivative of the Roman *pertica*, the name being re-imported into English to become the measurement “perch”. Today, the “perch” is defined as being the same as the rod. But the Roman *pertica* was defined as two paces, or, 10 feet. If you stop and think for a moment, carrying a 10-foot pole around seems dramatically more practical than a 16-foot pole. And indeed, both “rod” and “perch” had various lengths in use, ranging from 9 (modern) feet up to 28. (My pet theory here is that there was creative tension between the Latin preference for base-10, and the Nordic preference for base-20, but I have zero sources to support that.)

So this left us with, around the 11th century, with this tax-and-military status in England: an acre is 40 by 4 rods, a rod is 16.5 feet, and a foot is 12 inches. There are numerous other measures as well, but I’m trying to keep this simple. And now you see why there are 43,560 square feet in an acre.

So far, we’ve covered the role of the military and taxation. Enter religion.

Between 1382 and 1395, John Wycliffe and friends translated the Bible from the official Latin version (the “Vulgate”) to vernacular English. Now known as “Wyclif’s Bible”, it significantly predated the the King James Version, which was “authorized” and completed in 1611, and was the first complete English language version.

The dilemma is how to translate the greek “stadio”, which of course refers to the standard length of the first Greek Olympic sport, the 200-meter sprint (well, approximately 200 meters, we’re not sure). Consider, for example, Luke 24:13 “*And lo! tweyne of hem wenten in that dai in to a castel, that was fro Jerusalem the space of sixti furlongis, bi name Emaws*.” Notice the phrase “sixti furlongis”; Wycliffe is translating the Greek “stadio” directly to furlongs. This assumption continued forward to the King James Version (“And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs”).

The original Greek, of course, is “Καὶ ἰδοὺ δύο ἐξ αὐτῶν ἐν αὐτῇ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἦσαν πορευόμενοι εἰς κώμην ἀπέχουσαν σταδίους ἑξήκοντα ἀπὸ Ἰερουσαλήμ, ἧ ὄνομα Ἐμμαοῦς,”. The important word here is “στάδιον” meaning stadium.

In the Hellenic system, a stadium (the precise dimensions of which is lost to history) is 600 “*podes*”. A “*pous*” (the singular form) is the Greek foot. The length of a Greek foot varied but was about the same as Roman foot. However, Wycliffe was working off the Latin version – the Vulgate. The Latin (Vulgate) version of Luke 24:13 is “*et ecce duo ex illis ibant ipsa die in castellum quod erat in spatio stadiorum sexaginta ab Hierusalem nomine Emmaus*”. Notice the use of “*stadiorum*”? The Vulgate, dating from the 4th Century, presented a straight translation from the Greek. Greek and Roman feet may be the same, but the Roman stadium was 625 feet, not 600. The Greek didn’t have any distance measure corresponding to “mile” so they didn’t worry about 600 not evenly fitting into 5000. The Romans clearly did, and since the Greek foot wasn’t very carefully standardized, rounding up to 625 didn’t matter (I’m guessing here, the details are completely lost in history).

But conversely, there was no notion of “*stadium*” in 14th century English. And *furlongs* were never meant to be an eighth of a mile. Furlongs were 660 feet, for reasons described above. But from Wycliffe’s perspective, none of all this mattered. He was on a mission to simplify – he wanted the common man to read the Bible. And whether the stadium distance of the Bible was 600, 625, or 660 feet, he didn’t care. (Or so I infer.)

*(A curious aside: the laws of the English kings from 1042 through 1272 were written in Latin. Laws were not solely written in English until 1488 and onwards.)*

As it so happens, “mile” in the sense of the Roman one is mentioned once in the Bible, in Matthew 5:41 (King James Version): “*And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.*” The reason the mile is used here is that the Romans would compel locals to carry their gear for up to one (Roman) mile. So Jesus’ contemporaries would know what was implied. Wycliffe the scholar would surely know this.

Was Wycliffe using the local custom in the late 14th century of fitting eight furlongs into a mile? Or was he simply rounding off on his own initiative, knowing full well that there were approximately eight Greek stadia in a Roman (and hence Norman) mile? More on this shortly.

The translation of the Bible into English did not go down well with authorities. In 1428, on order from the Pope, Wycliffe’s body was exhumed, burned, and the ashes scattered, following a proclamation that the translation of the Bible into vernacular English was heresy. It’s much to dangerous to let ordinary peasants understand what’s in the Bible, after all. Persecution of attempts to spread unauthorized translations continued for well over a century. When William Tyndale became the first man to print the New Testament in English in 1526 (two copies of which have survived), he had to do so from the continent, and copies smuggled into England were burned, as best as the Church and the Crown were able to. Tyndale himself was eventually burned for his efforts, too.

Tyndale probably didn’t use Wycliffe’s translation at all, but worked from the Greek New Testament. I haven’t found any good quality versions online, but some poor quality OCRs that I did find confirm that Tyndale also uses “furlong” in his 1526 translation of Luke 24:13 – *“And beholde two of them went that same daye to a toune which was from Jerusalem about thre scoore forlonges, called Emaus”. *(Notice how Tyndale inserts the word “about”.)

Despite the burnings and the “about:s”, a furlong as an eighth of a mile is now in the vernacular.

A clue to what probably happened in this transition comes from Arnold’s Almanac. Written around 1500 and based off earlier, now lost, sources, “Arnold” writes a section on “*the Mesur to mete Lande by*” he states that “*viij furlong make an English myle*“, but still considers a mile to be 5000 feet. He mentions rods, but here’s the interesting part: he says they vary, mentioning 18, 20, and 21 feet – other sources use still other measures, as already noted above.

This doesn’t matter, however: *“but of what lengith soo euer they be C.lx. perches make an akir”*. Why not care? Because the accuracy of *distance* over land is not remotely as important as the accuracy of *surface* of land.

Today, we consider accuracy of distance as inseparable from accuracy of surface. But these vagaries were intellectually sound prior to the onslaught of the early Renaissance. The revolution in Mathematics was just beginning: Luca Pacioli published the *Summa de arithmetica, geometria, proportioni et proportionalita* in Venice in 1494 and Gerolamo Cardano published *Ars Magna* in 1540. A genuine marriage of algebra and geometry would of course have to wait until Descartes and *La Géométrie* in 1637, but nevertheless the broadening of the mathematics of measurement in England in the sixteenth century must have been dramatic.

Thus our next and final point in history is when our current standardization to 5280 became official under Elizabeth I in an act of parliament in 1592. At this point, the popular perception of a furlong was well established: that it was an eighth of a mile. Of course, the concept of “acre” could not be changed since it was inherent in the management of land and taxation. The military at this point didn’t do that much marching and didn’t care much about the Roman mile: England was a maritime power and ships don’t navigate by counting footsteps. By the time of Elizabeth’s reform, the Age of Exploration was a century old, and navigation at sea was highly developed. The nautical mile was instead defined as an arc-minute, or one sixtieth of a degree of latitude (since the earth isn’t a sphere, this will depend slightly on your distance from the equator; today it’s standardized to 1852 meters).

So the furlong was 660 feet because the Saxon foot was smaller than the Roman, and because Oxen apparently tire easily, and because Danish Vikings were good at taxation, and because the Greeks liked running. Naked. And why are there eight of these things in a mile? Because the Bible says so. If English was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for us.

Well that was a long story. So, why, exactly, did we get stuck with 5280 feet in the mile? Certainly not because people were dumb, they had many things to balance. Let me try a “summary”:

- The Romans defined their mile to be 1000 paces, a pace being 5 feet, and each foot was 12 (Roman) inches. Since milestones survived throughout Europe after the fall of Rome, and these were marked with distances to local centers, this provided a surviving reference point for many centuries after.
- After the fall of the Roman Empire and up to the Norman conquest of 1066, Britain was ruled by Angles, Saxons, Jutes, and Danish viking invaders. The Saxons introduced the “perch”, or “rod”, which is believed to have been 20 “natural” feet of about 9.8 or 9.9 inches, as opposed to the Roman tradition of a surveyor rod being 10 feet tall. A rod, in other words, is the distance measured out by your feet as you count off all your fingers and toes (and is quite possibly a very ancient measure of distance).
- During the late 10th century, following agricultural adoption of the heavy plough, and up to this day, an “acre” was defined as an area 40 rods long and 4 rods wide, or 160 “perches” (one perch/rod square), and corresponded to a practical surface definition for a simple (and practical) farming society: the length was about the distance a team of oxen could plow before taking a break, and turning a heavy plough was difficult, and the total area was about the amount of land that a single man with one oxen could plow in one work day. The length, 40 rods, was thus called furlong (“one furrow long”).
- The acre became the basis for legal agreements, deeds, taxation, borders, etc throughout Britain, so once established, was there to stay (and remains unchanged).
- When the Normans invaded in 1066, they brought back the Roman system, notably the Roman foot, which was about 11.65 of today’s inches vs the Saxon foot of about 9.9 inches. This led the Norman Kings to define the rod as 16.5 Roman feet, as opposed to (possibly the original) 20 Saxon feet. By this time rods weren’t measured with actual human feet anymore, but with defined reference rods, so the discrepancy no longer mattered. The Norman foot, probably closer to the 11.6-11.7 inches that is the Roman foot, had to stretch a little to fit an even three times into the Saxon yard, and was so defined by 1300.
- Around 1400 the movement to translate the Bible to vernacular English brought a need to translate the New Testament use of the Greek word for “stadium”. The furlong was close enough, so the translations would variously insert the word “about” in their texts, and sometimes not; nevertheless, the literary equivalence between the stadium and the furlong was established through religious teaching by default in the 1400s.
- The discrepancies between all these different definitions of distance were well understood prior to the sixteenth century. But the accuracy of distance was not as important as the accuracy of surface.
- The early part of the Renaissance leads to a dramatic growth in the depth and width of mathematical learning in the sixteenth century.
- Finally, with a 1592 act of Parliament under Elizabeth I, the various discrepant measurement systems were sorted through and standardized. With various versions of the mile in use throughout the kingdom, the Biblical equivalence of a furlong with a stadium well established, and the definition of an acre important to keep constant, the mile itself was the most malleable. This left us with the furlong of 660 feet (40 times 16.5) and eight furlongs make 5280 feet.

*[Edits: August 2017, extensive editing, adding a few new items.]*

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Dude, did you ever try to actually read something ON the internet, ON a computer screen? It hurts your neck somethin’ fierce! And the word count bookmarklet I ran said you used up 3,321 words on trying to figure feets and miles! Get a life!

P.S. – A guy as ugly as you should think twice about putting yer picture on the internets.

[PSM] Yes I clearly should focus on more significant things than amateur historical investigations of measurement systems. I will use your activities online as my bar of useful contributions.LikeLike

Hi Peter

I enjoyed reading this as you are one of the few who are even interested in this subject.

You might find ‘From the Rollrights to Stonehenge a measure’ of interest as I tried to deal with some of the same questions.

Best wishes

Jim Wakefield

[PSM] Yes it’s odd how little is written about this. Question for you: you write that there are 15 Saxon feet in a Saxon rod. But some sources I found said that the older rod probably had 20 “natural” feet. Which would mean 64000 Saxon square feet in an acre (not 36000). Comments? Btw for the rest of you, Jim’s excellent essay is here: From the Rollrights to Stonehenge a measure.LikeLike

Hi Peter,

When people talk of 20 natural feet I think they are refering to the old Welsh foot 9.9 inches or Great span.

For how it fits into the Saxon system see p.3 and p.17. of ‘From the Rollrights”'”. As you may have guessed I call this measure a Saxon measure but I believe it reaches right back.

Glad you found this interesting.

Best wishes

Jim Wakefield

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Hi Peter,

i was looking for a tool companie “Magnusson” and ran into your site. I read the story and i liked it. Maybe true or nearly true doesn’t matter. It could happend in the way you discribe. And the comment ‘get a life” from a person called himself Dude (that means his parents had a nasty sence of humor) is not important, because you liked to figure it out and i liked to read it. That’s life.

Thank you.

Greatings from Holland

Jurgen

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Peter,

Having moved from Sweden to the U.S.A. many years ago, I have found the American people quite ignorant about measures and weights. Especially so about metric units, that they do not have the foggiest about. Most of them probably do not know anything about the “Imperial” units either.

How many cubic inches are there in a pint?

Who gives a rat’s ass?!

An example of the total anarchy here is the introduction of some new, large, airplane. Airbus 380 I think it was, on its first landing at LAX. The doozie on TV channel 7 said that it was as long as 15 city buses and as wide as a football field and the tail-fin stood 15 stories high.

The wingspan that equaled a football field, was it the with of the field? How much is a football field anyway? It is used all the time as a measure.

To Europeans it is clear that the unit “meter” could easily have handled it all! Possibly 120 m long, 100 m wide and 45 m high. But that would have made too much sense.

I may not recall the numbers exactly, but since the measures are not exact anyway, who cares?

I have heard that the size of an inch, which is 1/12 of a foot and so on, is exactly 25.4 mm, by definition, comes from a Swede, C. E. Johanson. “Mått Johansson”. He funded a company that still is a major player in mechanical measurements. I will remember they had the first digital caliper, around 1970.

Somewhere in the latter half of 1800 he was making pieces for high precision measurement purposes. The kits came in wooden boxes and a certain dimension could be made by putting the right pieces together. Called “Passbitar” in Swedish. For metric the pieces were decimal and for inches they were in general fractional, like 3/32 and so on.

Held between two straight pieces the dimension could be transferred for to check the length or diameter of something else. A shaft, a piston and so on. An important thing as the industrialization was gaining ground. The pistons could all be manufactured of the same diameter!

At the time there were many kinds of inches. Every little pope and king, and there were a lot of them as Europe had yet to unite, had their thumb as the standard thumb (= “inch”) and poor CEJ had to make his kitted pieces for a lot of different inches, all of them almost of the same size.

One day he said: “To heck with it! An inch is an inch is 25.4 mm!”

Too bad that he did not make it 25.0 mm even, but he could not have foreseen that the U.S.A. some 130 years later, as the only industrialized country, would still hang on to it. Long after all the rest had gone metric.

This does not answer Peters original question, but at least it may open another window and confuse things further!

All the best to all of you!

Carl.

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Hi Peter

I really enjoyed Carl’s comments and his frustration that the American press and American’s in general have trouble converting metres (in this case an aircrafts wingspan, length and height) to feet, which they completly understand.

What I have tried to present in ‘From the Rollrights to Stonehenge a measure’ is a method of combining the two great measures the metre and the foot.

By ajusting both measures just a little bit a measure based on 100 and a measure based on 60 are compatible. No more mistakes with spacecraft design but an easy and verstile measure that has the best of both systems.

One measure to take the ordinary person, designers, educators, and business to the stars.

Very best wishes to all

Jim Wakefield

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Thank you for such an in depth analysis. I randomly developed curiosity and also found the main answers seemed too simple and ineffective. Like you said, I too am astonished how common it is seen our ancestors were just stupid and we are the smartest generation. In many ways I find the opposite to be true.

As a machinist my biggest frustration is in differences between English and Metric. Decimals are so easy, why isn’t everything decimal? Then I expanded into woodworking and began working on a larger scale with different tolerances. At some point I realized the brilliance in making an inch 1/12 of a foot.

The actual linear measure is irrelevant except in easily dividing feet by the most factors. 1/2, 1/4, 1/3, 1/6 no math (or calculator) required. Now I have shifted my frustration to stupid base 10. The only reason twelve is an awkward number is trying to count it in base 10. If we used base 12 we would have characters for ten and eleven, we would think in base twelve and all of our divisions would be immensely easier.

Clearly over history units and measures have grown and changed. Arbitrarily defined by whatever made the most sense at the time. I propose we create a new “World” system based on Base 12, incorporating the concepts of the SI systems unit relations (1cc = 1mL).

Even some of the ancients had it figured out with base 60. Hey aren’t there sixty seconds in a minute? 1/2, 1/4, 1/3, 1/6, 1/5,…

Or perhaps in the computer age we should all learn binary or hexidecimal. That would be better!

(Joking about binary, not joking about base 12).

[PSM] Yes, exactly. You had the same philosophical experience as I did, but in another area. Couldn’t agree more. There is much to be said for 12 as a base. Perhaps you should join “Dozenal Society of America”!LikeLike

That Swede again…

If one resists base 10, going back some 5000 years (or more?) to the Babylonians, and base 60, would make some sense. It includes base 12, so to speak, and we are already used to counting seconds and minutes (time and angles both!)in 60’s.

For the egg vendor the numbers 12 and 20 makes sense…

I had just learned to divide an English pub bill in three, without paper and pen, when they went decimal on me! The £ used to be 20 shilling and a shilling was 12 pence.

I am not sure anymore about the Swedes, but most people in Europe can tell you the weight of 3,55 dl water (= 355 ml = 355 g). A common can of soda. What is the weight (or mass, rather) of 9 oz (volume) of water? You get the idea?

Did you know that the pound is a force? It is the force that accelerates the mass of one stone by one feet per second squared.

Calculate how much power is needed for to heat up 10 l air per second by 320 K! C for air is ~1,012 J/(g*K) and the mass of air is ~1,3g/l. Calculate that with Imperial units and you will go crazy!

If one do not respect the units, and how they are supposed to be expressed in the SI system, it can be almost as messy as the Imperial system. I think just this is a major reason for confusion among Americans. I have some medicine bottles where the weight of the pills is given in “MG” whatever that is! Mega gravity? 10E6 * 9.81 m/s²? An unusual unit but one can never be sure about pharmacists!

“Centigrade” has not been a unit since 1948…

There is no “degrees kelvin”. Kelvin IS temperature.

For conductivity there is no “mho” but there is Siemens.

Speed is measured in m/s.

Volume in m² (not in acre-feet or barrels…)

dimensions in m, not in football fields or cm!

Study the SI system and once you understand it, it makes all the sense in the world and it makes life a lot easier!

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Oops! Volume in m^3 of course. And the temperature they intend when mentioning Centigrade, is Celcius.

Too late at night!

All the best,

Carl.

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Carl, i get the “idea” of the metric system, but you’re missing my point (which is only a minor aspect of the article). The metric system makes it easier to do engineering and science calculations such as you mention – e.g. calculating the power needed to heat a certain airflow to a certain temperature. Exactly how many times per day do ordinary people make such calculations? It threw out thousands of years of accumulated experience as to what units are practical for everyday life. And it did so without even understanding this wisdom. The real reason the metric system is so incompatible with the imperial system is political – the French in 1795 did not like the British. Exactly how scientific is it to define the meter as one ten-millionth of the length of the meridian through Paris? Instead of simply using the yard (36 inches)? Then we could update a gallon from 231 cubic inches to 233.28, at which point there’s an even 5 liters in a gallon. Etc etc.

The metric system is optimized around unit conversions (e.g. between mass, volume, surface, distance, power, temperature, etc). This is the

leastcommon use of everyday measurements.To belabor that point, consider your example of the weight of a soda can: the US gallon derives by definition from wine – it was originally eight bottles of wine. The ounce is defined in terms of this – 128 fluid ounces per gallon, or, 16 fluid ounces per bottle of wine. 128 is a nice number to subdivide, obviously. With four ounce servings, there would be precisely four glasses per bottle. The metric system ruined this simplicity when the US adopted the metric standard for wine bottles – the completely logical and practical number of 750 ml. How often do i care about the

weightof the bottle? I care about the number ofservings. Because what I generally do with soda cans is drink the content, not calculate how many my trailer can carry. How many glasses can you pour from a “can of 355 ml soda”? In the US the standard is 12 ounces. And the answer is: it serves two large glasses, or three small glasses. 12 is easy to subdivide. Good luck with 355.LikeLike